For the sake of the state, does this not seem a bit childish? The recall provision has been on the books for a VERY LONG TIME. Gov. Davis just got called on it by a frustrated electorate. If it had been a Republican you would be rejoicing. The soon to be Gov-elect is moderate in his views, actually to the left of many so-called Democrats. Why not give the man a chance to try and get something done? California does not need to drift along until the next election. Instead of taking this as a slap in the face, view this as a wake-up call. When a Republican can unseat a Democrat in a state that is so heavily Democratic, it's the Dems who need to take stock. Like Gov. Dean has said, Democrats need to start acting like Democrats. California's state affairs are in a complete mess with Dems in control of the whole thing. Maybe the Shrivers know something the lefties don't, that Arnold is an honest man who is trying to give back to a state and nation that has helped make him what he is today.

For the sake of the state, does this not seem a bit childish? The recall provision has been on the books for a VERY LONG TIME. Gov. Davis just got called on it by a frustrated electorate. If it had been a Republican you would be rejoicing. The soon to be Gov-elect is moderate in his views, actually to the left of many so-called Democrats. Why not give the man a chance to try and get something done? California does not need to drift along until the next election. Instead of taking this as a slap in the face, view this as a wake-up call. When a Republican can unseat a Democrat in a state that is so heavily Democratic, it's the Dems who need to take stock. Like Gov. Dean has said, Democrats need to start acting like Democrats. California's state affairs are in a complete mess with Dems in control of the whole thing. Maybe the Shrivers know something the lefties don't, that Arnold is an honest man who is trying to give back to a state and nation that has helped make him what he is today.

Arnold is a master of self-promotion -- just look at his resume. He is not a public servant and he isn't trying to give back to California; that's just the crap he spoon feeds to his followers who are stuck in the fantasy. It's really all about ego for him.

The ballot could have been more efficient: 1. For Recall? Yes or No 2. Your choice for governor. And then, 3. If Arnold wins, do you want to recall him?

This would have saved everyone a trip to the polls and would have cost the state less money; and you know there would have been enough votes to recall him.

I have to say this to you guys, and to everyone else out there listening: this whole Democrat/Republican business has got to come to an end. We need to unite as a country. We need to come together.

Good to hear your putting in time as a school volunteer - the girl in my life just started doing the same - and on Arnold:

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Every electorate gets the government it deserves. Let Arnold give it a go. Heck, it worked for Reagan, right?

But Arnold's not Reagan - he's much more of a leftie... And he will stand up for the beliefs of the entertainment industry - of whom there are so many in California. Time for them to be represented again!

Lisa writes: "Well guys, we tried hard, but we were outnumbered by the sheep."

It is just this kind of self-centered elitism that makes more and more people, who all have as many votes as any one else (One), despise the politics that blathers but cannot prevail.

Lisa also notes:"However, it's not over. If I understand correctly from the little birdies I know, the next step is Recalling Arnold. People will start collecting signatures soon so keep an eye out."

>> And they will accomplish nothing other than to waste their time. Which is fine. Having these "little birdies" waste their time on this spew is far preferable than having them wandering around looking to screw up something else.

"This isn't over yet. We won't just hand our state's future over without a fight."

Again, what's with this "our state" nonsense. It is not "your state" or "my state." It belongs to everybody. The way we decide what's going to happen to it is, among other things, by having an election. Which we just had. And your side lost. Get over it or get used to it.

Lisa writes: "Well guys, we tried hard, but we were outnumbered by the sheep."

It is just this kind of self-centered elitism that makes more and more people, who all have as many votes as any one else (One), despise the politics that blathers but cannot prevail.

Lisa also notes:"However, it's not over. If I understand correctly from the little birdies I know, the next step is Recalling Arnold. People will start collecting signatures soon so keep an eye out."

>> And they will accomplish nothing other than to waste their time. Which is fine. Having these "little birdies" waste their time on this spew is far preferable than having them wandering around looking to screw up something else.

"This isn't over yet. We won't just hand our state's future over without a fight."

Again, what's with this "our state" nonsense. It is not "your state" or "my state." It belongs to everybody. The way we decide what's going to happen to it is, among other things, by having an election. Which we just had. And your side lost. Get over it or get used to it.

Lisa writes: "Well guys, we tried hard, but we were outnumbered by the sheep."

It is just this kind of self-centered elitism that makes more and more people, who all have as many votes as any one else (One), despise the politics that blathers but cannot prevail.

Lisa also notes:"However, it's not over. If I understand correctly from the little birdies I know, the next step is Recalling Arnold. People will start collecting signatures soon so keep an eye out."

>> And they will accomplish nothing other than to waste their time. Which is fine. Having these "little birdies" waste their time on this spew is far preferable than having them wandering around looking to screw up something else.

"This isn't over yet. We won't just hand our state's future over without a fight."

Again, what's with this "our state" nonsense. It is not "your state" or "my state." It belongs to everybody. The way we decide what's going to happen to it is, among other things, by having an election. Which we just had. And your side lost. Get over it or get used to it.

Lisa,

Do you want to fight? Or do you want to win? Think that over before you react.

Assume for a minute that one or more of the accusations of felony sexual assault are true. What do you do? Give Arnold a pass because he is the Governor? That would make him above the law.

Even the conservative hardballer Chris Matthews empathetically said on Leno last night that each of the sixteen accusers is just as important as Arnold Schwarzenegger. How do you sweep it all away?

Assume for a minute that one or more of the accusations of felony sexual assault that happened years in the past coming out in a bunch about five days before the election are just a wee bit too convenient to be true..... but then again that would be to assume to much, wouldn't it?

Some of the accusations might be bogus, but I also think some might be true. I heard someone (with credentials) the other day describe how this type of victim may feel alone and powerless when the incident occurrs, but later feels obligated to come forward when the perpetrator advances to an even higher power cell. Same thing happened with the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas saga, Bill Clinton and his accusers, and so on. Something else that made the accusations ring true, in my eyes, was Schwarzenegger's direct response to the accusations: "Where there's smoke, there's fire" "I behaved badly" "I apologize" etc.

I think most will see it your way, however, and he will get a pass. It's unfortunate, in my opinion, because I think it says something about American culture ... something like 'if the person I vote for is hip and cool, then I am hip and cool too.'

Setting aside the criminal aspects, Schwarzenegger may perform well as governor. He certainly wants to be popular and he has the power. If he can use it constructively, and if he puts the right team in place, maybe he can pull it off. The conditions there make it an uphill battle, however.

Some of the accusations might be bogus, but I also think some might be true. I heard someone (with credentials) the other day describe how this type of victim may feel alone and powerless when the incident occurrs, but later feels obligated to come forward when the perpetrator advances to an even higher power cell. Same thing happened with the Anita Hill/Clarence Thomas saga, Bill Clinton and his accusers, and so on. Something else that made the accusations ring true, in my eyes, was Schwarzenegger's direct response to the accusations: "Where there's smoke, there's fire" "I behaved badly" "I apologize" etc.

I think most will see it your way, however, and he will get a pass. It's unfortunate, in my opinion, because I think it says something about American culture ... something like 'if the person I vote for is hip and cool, then I am hip and cool too.'

Setting aside the criminal aspects, Schwarzenegger may perform well as governor. He certainly wants to be popular and he has the power. If he can use it constructively, and if he puts the right team in place, maybe he can pull it off. The conditions there make it an uphill battle, however.